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welcome back

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um thank you for joining us on our new

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uh Super Chat is open and again welcome

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back to Phantoms and monsters radio on

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YouTube we're so happy to be back

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tomorrow night long we'll be back we are

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so excited to see him we're so happy

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that he made a speedy recovery

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um tonight my guest is Anna Maria Manalo

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let's welcome her hi Hi how are you good

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how are you oh pretty good pretty good

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I'm pretty excited to be here uh to talk

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about this new book uh that's coming out

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shortly and um wanted to have you be the

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first to know

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I am so excited thank you so much I

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truly appreciate you being on and your

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new book looks amazing all your books

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are fantastic but this one looks amazing

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do you want to tell us a little bit

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about it yeah uh actually this is a book

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that uh Tom and I uh put together uh Tom

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uh approached me and I'll give you a

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little bit of a background here

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um about how this book came about it's

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actually probably one of the longest

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books I've ever written uh it wasn't

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intended to be that way normally books I

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write are anywhere from 200 to 230 Pages

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um this came close well I have to say I

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think what we did was we also double

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spaced it but we made the font smaller

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not the belaborate point but it's close

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to about 400 pages

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uh and the reason for that is the way it

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evolved is Tom and I who is a ufologist

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and a pattern researcher for quite a bit

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of time I think over 30 years

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um started investigating experiencers

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people who were abducted

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um he started by sending out

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questionnaires and of the 50

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questionnaires that he sent out and

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these are all via the Internet uh to

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people that were interested in social

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media uh he got quite a number of

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responses uh of all those responses he

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then started following up with them

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to give specific questions

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um you know to verify the reports uh and

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of those five remained that had some

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really gripping detailed reports

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uh as it came about and as time went on

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one of them he found out

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um was actually someone who has had

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experiences since she was about six

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about I would probably say October of

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last year Tom and I started talking

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about putting together a book about his

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and then he happens stands mentioned

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that he had done this survey this

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questionnaire and wanted to uh let me

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know about this particular woman

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whose name we're not allowed to disclose

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so what happened there is that I started

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talking to Thomas what I normally do

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with things like these is I start to get

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uh who you know who is the center point

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of the book in this case it was Tom

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storyline uh based on what each of them

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and this particular one was unique in

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the sense that I usually only write

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or maybe a set of different events

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the sense that their experiences were so

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encompassing

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case it would go on for years and years

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she's still to this day has these types

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the town because she did not want people

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and looking at the house and things of

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that nature so I dislocated it a bit so

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to speak I changed the location

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and what happened to him was everybody

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food I believe and then when he came

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everybody that was in it was dead so

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they were all decimated

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he was then reassigned to a different

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last three months of World War II uh

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actually a pretty sizable town

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life more livable for them

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who was actually dying

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ground it was he was in the interior of

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a building that was already in rubble it

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was already it had already been bombed

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pistol apparently was used during the

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using it as kind of like a trophy he

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duffel bag and then proceeded to go back

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to the tank with all kinds of other

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foods and things the duffel bag made it

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into this Village and then eventually

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I don't really have any proof

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that that's what started all these

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things that were happening

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to this woman who is now in her 70s

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but it seems to point to the beginning

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of all the very strange and terrifying

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the father wanted to protect three kids

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and as The Story Goes he took the gun

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the pistol that he got from the Nazi

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and proceeded to place it in a crawl

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space right above the ceiling of all

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places in his oldest daughter's bedroom

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so he climbed her bed pulled down the

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trap door that had a set of stairs

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climbed up and threw the pistol with the

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intention of you know keeping it away

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from the kids which is understandable

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and then things started happening

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very strange being started manifesting

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in the house and so that's how this

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particular Story begins

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well could you give us a small brief you

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know glimpse of any of her encounters

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any of her personal encounters maybe

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even something she told you that didn't

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end up in the book if you could share

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everything that she has told me and and

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what I do is I keep a notebook from week

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to week as I talk to her and I try and

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develop the book I write down everything

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she told me and I I don't believe I

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which affected me personally and I

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always wondered what that was about

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was there was

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an account that she had told me

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something

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that was an amorphous black cloud

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and she could not open her eyes she knew

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that something was up there

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she wasn't clear whether she was in a

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fit of night terror

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nightmare yeah

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somehow something told her she wasn't

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supposed to be looking at them

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and she thinks it was because it finally

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allowed her to look

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and by the time she did there were three

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they were in tattered clothing

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they looked like they had been in a fire

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bloodshot

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looking at her and they looked like they

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but that's not just part of it the other

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part of it is the noise that was coming

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something around that room that made it

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very very cold and creepy there was a

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and she was having a series of Dreams

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about a dog a white dog

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that somehow came up to her and for some

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right she it came up to her and she tore

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the dog to pieces

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and it was so difficult for her to

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that's that's terrifying that really is

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this day or did she get rid of it

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there was a New Year's Eve party

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and some of the friends of the sister

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who owned a huge our house had a New

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Year's Eve party and they all went there

285
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one of her other friends the parents

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owned the bar

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they were sent on an errand to go to the

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bar and get more I guess more drinks

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more beer and all that kind of stuff

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right on their way there they discover

291
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that the department store I forget what

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it's called now

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had a fire which then spread to the

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movie theater which then spread to the

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building they were living in

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so they're building

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caught fire

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and as she's standing there watching the

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building on fire

300
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it's funny because when you think about

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a childhood home you're usually

302
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devastated you know and terrified oh I

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lost everything she was actually

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relieved

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that the building was on fire because

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she knew that that nightly Terror that

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she would have with her two siblings

308
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because they were both around by that

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um it would be gone because the gun

310
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would be gone the gun would have been

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burnt in the fun

312
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but later on she found that the gun

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survived because for some reason her

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father took it

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had taken it so it survived and it ended

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up with her youngest sister

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oh my yeah does her sister have any

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activity or no

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there was nothing that was reported to

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me

321
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um it was one of those things where it

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seemed like whatever it was attached

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itself to her

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and I you know it's it's really weird

325
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burn because I've never seen anything

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like this and and now I have to say I've

327
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seen it yeah when I wrote this I kept

328
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trying to classify in my head am I

329
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dealing with

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a negative entity of a supernatural

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origin

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but then subtly as she was telling me as

333
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the book was progressing I realized that

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the tone was changing this invasive

335
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thing whatever it was

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and I I think the change happened when

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she finally moved into this last house

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which was in 2017.

339
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she started finding things in her hands

340
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there was something right under her skin

341
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that was embedded

342
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and it looked like some tiny piece of

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rice

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but it was made of metal

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and she felt like she was getting

346
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arthritis because of it it would move

347
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oh my goodness

348
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yeah Marla wants to know are you able to

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tell us the title of the book

350
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yes it's called the night visitance

351
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um it is actually coming out on

352
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pre-order on Amazon on April 1st uh and

353
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then the paperback will be available on

354
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and so has she gone to the doctor for

355
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these has she had

356
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that's an interesting question because

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through the book you'll see that she

358
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tried to go to the doctor

359
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um there were a couple of things that

360
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were stopping her mm-hmm

361
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there was an issue with the husband

362
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uh there was an issue with her I guess

363
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being kind of almost seen as an outcast

364
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in the town she was very afraid of being

365
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ridiculed

366
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uh there is one particular situation

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where she had her child with her in the

368
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car trying to get away from the husband

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she's on her way to the doctor

370
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to finally get herself checked out

371
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because there was something that was

372
00:18:38,450 --> 00:18:35,340
coming out of her eye believe me it's

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not a stye yeah no I I believe you're

374
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just like anything in the eyes no I'm

375
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not good I'm not okay with that okay go

376
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ahead at the last minute she decides not

377
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to go because she was afraid she would

378
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be made fun of she would be treated like

379
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a pariah

380
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she then turns around goes into the

381
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supermarket puts the child in the cart

382
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and you know and this is a baby trying

383
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to reach for things that are in the

384
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grocery yeah people start avoiding her

385
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they start looking at her funny and she

386
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realizes probably because she her

387
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husband had hit her she probably because

388
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I had a black eye

389
00:19:18,409 --> 00:19:15,600
so she then went to the ladies room with

390
00:19:19,789 --> 00:19:18,419
the kid in tow and the cart she looks at

391
00:19:21,770 --> 00:19:19,799
herself in the mirror to discover

392
00:19:22,970 --> 00:19:21,780
there's something coming out of her

393
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eyeball

394
00:19:28,070 --> 00:19:25,740
oh my goodness

395
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oh my

396
00:19:37,610 --> 00:19:35,990
I don't blame her I mean it's it's not

397
00:19:41,830 --> 00:19:37,620
funny but I don't blame her oh my

398
00:19:45,650 --> 00:19:41,840
goodness yeah so things start to change

399
00:19:47,510 --> 00:19:45,660
to where it now looks like it's an alien

400
00:19:50,870 --> 00:19:47,520
abduction

401
00:19:54,049 --> 00:19:50,880
I I you know this is such a baffling

402
00:19:56,570 --> 00:19:54,059
situation because we went from

403
00:19:57,650 --> 00:19:56,580
a haunted object that was brought out of

404
00:20:02,029 --> 00:19:57,660
Germany

405
00:20:04,490 --> 00:20:02,039
to definitely an infestation that just

406
00:20:07,070 --> 00:20:04,500
um pretty much made her miserable I mean

407
00:20:09,770 --> 00:20:07,080
she's a very strong woman to this day

408
00:20:12,470 --> 00:20:09,780
but I think it affected her relationship

409
00:20:14,390 --> 00:20:12,480
with her parents even more she wasn't

410
00:20:16,549 --> 00:20:14,400
close to them and then after that she

411
00:20:19,310 --> 00:20:16,559
wasn't even closer still

412
00:20:21,590 --> 00:20:19,320
uh no one believed her she grew up

413
00:20:23,950 --> 00:20:21,600
feeling like the only ones that really

414
00:20:26,330 --> 00:20:23,960
were by her side was her brother

415
00:20:28,909 --> 00:20:26,340
and uh it was a good thing her brother

416
00:20:30,770 --> 00:20:28,919
was there her brother was pretty much uh

417
00:20:33,590 --> 00:20:30,780
the one that believed her first I

418
00:20:36,289 --> 00:20:33,600
believe uh and then there was her son

419
00:20:37,549 --> 00:20:36,299
and then finally her daughter and then

420
00:20:40,310 --> 00:20:37,559
the other son

421
00:20:43,430 --> 00:20:40,320
but all throughout this she Soldier

422
00:20:46,490 --> 00:20:43,440
through being alone through oral the

423
00:20:48,890 --> 00:20:46,500
ordeals that she went through

424
00:20:50,390 --> 00:20:48,900
um the other person who alienated her

425
00:20:53,090 --> 00:20:50,400
was her own husband

426
00:20:54,650 --> 00:20:53,100
so it made the situation even more

427
00:20:57,049 --> 00:20:54,660
difficult

428
00:20:58,310 --> 00:20:57,059
right I can imagine that especially with

429
00:21:00,289 --> 00:20:58,320
somebody who you're supposed to be

430
00:21:02,690 --> 00:21:00,299
married to and they're supposed to you

431
00:21:04,730 --> 00:21:02,700
know kind of be your person and do that

432
00:21:08,270 --> 00:21:04,740
too so yeah I totally understand that

433
00:21:10,070 --> 00:21:08,280
but so I and I have to ask before we

434
00:21:11,930 --> 00:21:10,080
move on did the thing come out of her

435
00:21:14,810 --> 00:21:11,940
eye

436
00:21:17,390 --> 00:21:14,820
I think eventually it did but the one

437
00:21:19,909 --> 00:21:17,400
that was in her hand

438
00:21:23,029 --> 00:21:19,919
um she she was trying to manipulate it

439
00:21:24,890 --> 00:21:23,039
it fell to the floor it rolled to where

440
00:21:27,169 --> 00:21:24,900
this and there's the other situation

441
00:21:28,549 --> 00:21:27,179
with the dog that I can't even imagine

442
00:21:29,810 --> 00:21:28,559
happening

443
00:21:31,669 --> 00:21:29,820
anyway

444
00:21:33,230 --> 00:21:31,679
um it rolled to the floor she was afraid

445
00:21:36,289 --> 00:21:33,240
the dog was going to end up getting it

446
00:21:38,690 --> 00:21:36,299
she picks it up again and puts it on her

447
00:21:40,549 --> 00:21:38,700
palm and it just disappears

448
00:21:43,310 --> 00:21:40,559
into her skin

449
00:21:46,430 --> 00:21:43,320
oh my goodness

450
00:21:49,130 --> 00:21:46,440
so she still has it in her today so she

451
00:21:51,770 --> 00:21:49,140
must still have it in her today

452
00:21:54,830 --> 00:21:51,780
oh my goodness that poor woman

453
00:21:58,730 --> 00:21:54,840
that is that is very scary and just sad

454
00:22:00,710 --> 00:21:58,740
too as well oh my goodness so then you

455
00:22:03,049 --> 00:22:00,720
did the the other gentleman the

456
00:22:06,169 --> 00:22:03,059
investigator he's having things happen

457
00:22:09,529 --> 00:22:06,179
to him as well okay so the investigator

458
00:22:12,169 --> 00:22:09,539
is none other than my co-author okay and

459
00:22:14,930 --> 00:22:12,179
as he's investigating this things are

460
00:22:18,049 --> 00:22:14,940
also happening to him to Tom

461
00:22:20,630 --> 00:22:18,059
and so it's a unique story in the sense

462
00:22:22,010 --> 00:22:20,640
that he's talking about what is

463
00:22:25,490 --> 00:22:22,020
happening to her

464
00:22:28,070 --> 00:22:25,500
I am trying to Chronicle what in fact is

465
00:22:31,430 --> 00:22:28,080
happening to her but at the same time

466
00:22:34,370 --> 00:22:31,440
that he's investigating this abductee

467
00:22:36,830 --> 00:22:34,380
and in addition to a few others

468
00:22:39,049 --> 00:22:36,840
things are happening to him that he

469
00:22:42,049 --> 00:22:39,059
can't classify

470
00:22:45,830 --> 00:22:42,059
and I think that what's a revelation for

471
00:22:49,610 --> 00:22:45,840
him he said finally he realizes he also

472
00:22:51,470 --> 00:22:49,620
is an experiencer

473
00:22:54,230 --> 00:22:51,480
um one of the things that's remarkable

474
00:22:57,890 --> 00:22:54,240
about this is that it's you know coming

475
00:23:01,789 --> 00:22:57,900
from the way or his point of view

476
00:23:04,789 --> 00:23:01,799
he sees them as a series of Dreams

477
00:23:08,090 --> 00:23:04,799
Tom has points in his life where he was

478
00:23:10,610 --> 00:23:08,100
told he needed to learn to meditate uh

479
00:23:12,529 --> 00:23:10,620
in the beginning of the book he talks

480
00:23:16,810 --> 00:23:12,539
about how he

481
00:23:20,570 --> 00:23:16,820
found a UFO group on Facebook actually

482
00:23:24,649 --> 00:23:20,580
that meditated to get UFOs to show up

483
00:23:27,649 --> 00:23:24,659
actually meditating to encourage these

484
00:23:32,390 --> 00:23:27,659
saucers to show up in the sky or you

485
00:23:34,789 --> 00:23:32,400
know manifest in some way yeah so he was

486
00:23:35,810 --> 00:23:34,799
going to join this group who were

487
00:23:39,110 --> 00:23:35,820
meeting

488
00:23:41,390 --> 00:23:39,120
um I guess it was like a virtual but

489
00:23:43,130 --> 00:23:41,400
then they had to meet in person because

490
00:23:44,570 --> 00:23:43,140
you know you're you have to be standing

491
00:23:45,770 --> 00:23:44,580
outside for these things to happen

492
00:23:47,870 --> 00:23:45,780
obviously

493
00:23:51,169 --> 00:23:47,880
he was about to do that and then he

494
00:23:53,450 --> 00:23:51,179
thought okay what if I tried it myself

495
00:23:57,770 --> 00:23:53,460
what if that was something I could do

496
00:23:59,750 --> 00:23:57,780
and then he had a very telling dream

497
00:24:02,690 --> 00:23:59,760
and in the dream

498
00:24:04,970 --> 00:24:02,700
he was actually lying in bed

499
00:24:06,529 --> 00:24:04,980
the bed somehow was in a different

500
00:24:09,049 --> 00:24:06,539
position

501
00:24:09,909 --> 00:24:09,059
from where the bed usually is in the

502
00:24:13,909 --> 00:24:09,919
room

503
00:24:15,409 --> 00:24:13,919
and there were two figures on either

504
00:24:18,049 --> 00:24:15,419
side of the bed

505
00:24:20,690 --> 00:24:18,059
and they appeared to him and once again

506
00:24:22,130 --> 00:24:20,700
I think this is a screen memory

507
00:24:24,470 --> 00:24:22,140
I don't know that they're actually

508
00:24:27,890 --> 00:24:24,480
American Indians they could be but

509
00:24:31,190 --> 00:24:27,900
that's what you and I would think would

510
00:24:33,950 --> 00:24:31,200
be more acceptable to us I mean you and

511
00:24:36,409 --> 00:24:33,960
I are not nor anyone I know comfortable

512
00:24:38,510 --> 00:24:36,419
looking at an alien with almond-shaped

513
00:24:40,970 --> 00:24:38,520
eyes as they traditionally are called

514
00:24:43,549 --> 00:24:40,980
you're most likely to see people maybe

515
00:24:45,890 --> 00:24:43,559
historical people so that's what he saw

516
00:24:49,010 --> 00:24:45,900
he saw on either side of the bed to what

517
00:24:51,710 --> 00:24:49,020
appeared to be two American Indians

518
00:24:52,669 --> 00:24:51,720
and their last thing that they told him

519
00:24:56,390 --> 00:24:52,679
was

520
00:25:00,890 --> 00:24:58,549
just ask

521
00:25:03,169 --> 00:25:00,900
ing yeah

522
00:25:06,230 --> 00:25:03,179
and that's when things start to happen

523
00:25:09,350 --> 00:25:06,240
to him because then he started to go

524
00:25:12,529 --> 00:25:09,360
outside his patio you know in his own

525
00:25:14,810 --> 00:25:12,539
home and he would face the tree line

526
00:25:16,610 --> 00:25:14,820
where there was a wooded area

527
00:25:18,890 --> 00:25:16,620
past the property

528
00:25:21,470 --> 00:25:18,900
and he would close his eyes sit on an

529
00:25:23,570 --> 00:25:21,480
Adder on that chair and start meditating

530
00:25:25,789 --> 00:25:23,580
and asking

531
00:25:29,409 --> 00:25:25,799
he never thought anything would happen

532
00:25:32,269 --> 00:25:29,419
as a result of it this is all new to him

533
00:25:34,610 --> 00:25:32,279
and then things started happening

534
00:25:35,570 --> 00:25:34,620
now does he have any implants or

535
00:25:38,690 --> 00:25:35,580
anything

536
00:25:41,269 --> 00:25:38,700
that he knows of he I don't think he's

537
00:25:44,690 --> 00:25:41,279
aware of him if he has him he's never

538
00:25:46,850 --> 00:25:44,700
shared anything like that with me

539
00:25:50,390 --> 00:25:46,860
um what's interesting is that he does

540
00:25:51,769 --> 00:25:50,400
interact with him uh they do respond to

541
00:25:54,890 --> 00:25:51,779
him

542
00:25:59,149 --> 00:25:54,900
and the interesting about this

543
00:26:01,909 --> 00:25:59,159
um is the publication of his books

544
00:26:03,970 --> 00:26:01,919
uh tend to coincide with a major

545
00:26:07,669 --> 00:26:03,980
sighting

546
00:26:09,529 --> 00:26:07,679
of the night before he uplifts he's a

547
00:26:11,930 --> 00:26:09,539
self-published man we self-published

548
00:26:13,789 --> 00:26:11,940
this particular book okay

549
00:26:16,310 --> 00:26:13,799
um and we're always been curious is

550
00:26:18,890 --> 00:26:16,320
something going to show up at our

551
00:26:21,830 --> 00:26:18,900
doorstep or in the sky when he wrote the

552
00:26:25,070 --> 00:26:21,840
book right on the uh you know on the

553
00:26:27,230 --> 00:26:25,080
18th uh but when he what he found is

554
00:26:31,370 --> 00:26:27,240
that they were responding to him they

555
00:26:35,210 --> 00:26:31,380
were interacting with him and he was led

556
00:26:39,649 --> 00:26:35,220
down down this path not by happenstance

557
00:26:42,289 --> 00:26:39,659
it was all it seemed by Design

558
00:26:43,510 --> 00:26:42,299
that somehow he was fitted into that

559
00:26:47,029 --> 00:26:43,520
design

560
00:26:49,250 --> 00:26:47,039
now is is he just the only one just like

561
00:26:51,409 --> 00:26:49,260
the lady in the book you know she's the

562
00:26:53,750 --> 00:26:51,419
only one in her family is he the only

563
00:26:56,210 --> 00:26:53,760
one in his family

564
00:26:58,250 --> 00:26:56,220
I believe he is the only one in his

565
00:27:00,409 --> 00:26:58,260
family and and that's the funny part

566
00:27:02,750 --> 00:27:00,419
because usually when these things happen

567
00:27:04,610 --> 00:27:02,760
you know other family members are

568
00:27:07,010 --> 00:27:04,620
involved

569
00:27:09,470 --> 00:27:07,020
um there has been some people that have

570
00:27:12,289 --> 00:27:09,480
read the book before publication they

571
00:27:14,149 --> 00:27:12,299
wanted to review it take a look at it uh

572
00:27:19,010 --> 00:27:14,159
and one made a comment

573
00:27:22,310 --> 00:27:19,020
um it sounds to me like she uh is one

574
00:27:23,510 --> 00:27:22,320
and perhaps even the children and the

575
00:27:28,780 --> 00:27:23,520
grandchildren

576
00:27:32,750 --> 00:27:30,529
[Music]

577
00:27:34,370 --> 00:27:32,760
who knows that's something that really

578
00:27:36,649 --> 00:27:34,380
is yeah

579
00:27:39,769 --> 00:27:36,659
now have you had any experiences since

580
00:27:41,570 --> 00:27:39,779
you've you know been his co-author and

581
00:27:43,269 --> 00:27:41,580
speaking to this lady who's had this

582
00:27:46,070 --> 00:27:43,279
experience have you had any visitations

583
00:27:49,190 --> 00:27:46,080
well Bernadette I think you must be

584
00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:52,450
oh

585
00:28:01,330 --> 00:27:57,649
this is the I've written so far

586
00:28:08,510 --> 00:28:05,450
and I would have to say that of all of

587
00:28:11,510 --> 00:28:08,520
them the book before this I thought I

588
00:28:15,890 --> 00:28:11,520
would have had some kind of

589
00:28:18,470 --> 00:28:15,900
visitation or some experience

590
00:28:21,590 --> 00:28:18,480
right I'm not usually a person who gets

591
00:28:24,529 --> 00:28:21,600
nightmares I sleep very well every night

592
00:28:29,090 --> 00:28:24,539
I mean obviously if I have allergies I

593
00:28:30,950 --> 00:28:29,100
don't as I do today who does yeah

594
00:28:34,490 --> 00:28:30,960
yeah

595
00:28:36,289 --> 00:28:34,500
um when I published and whole structure

596
00:28:38,390 --> 00:28:36,299
when beyond the frame my publisher

597
00:28:39,350 --> 00:28:38,400
published Unholy structure which is

598
00:28:42,370 --> 00:28:39,360
about

599
00:28:45,590 --> 00:28:42,380
a a haunted inn

600
00:28:48,470 --> 00:28:45,600
yeah oh thank you thank you I thought

601
00:28:50,690 --> 00:28:48,480
maybe something was going to happen in

602
00:28:53,750 --> 00:28:50,700
my own house because the activity there

603
00:28:54,769 --> 00:28:53,760
had followed the investigator right at

604
00:28:58,250 --> 00:28:54,779
some point

605
00:29:01,010 --> 00:28:58,260
and we talked about that in the initial

606
00:29:02,870 --> 00:29:01,020
few weeks before I actually sat down and

607
00:29:05,690 --> 00:29:02,880
wrote that book but nothing happened to

608
00:29:08,750 --> 00:29:05,700
me nothing happened to me at all

609
00:29:10,730 --> 00:29:08,760
in this particular one

610
00:29:13,310 --> 00:29:10,740
um the first

611
00:29:15,730 --> 00:29:13,320
couple of months and I would say this

612
00:29:18,710 --> 00:29:15,740
happened probably in November

613
00:29:22,130 --> 00:29:18,720
I had some concerns

614
00:29:24,590 --> 00:29:22,140
after a lot of information was shared

615
00:29:30,110 --> 00:29:27,470
um you know they always say you know let

616
00:29:33,289 --> 00:29:30,120
sleeping dogs lie

617
00:29:34,789 --> 00:29:33,299
and I wondered if this was one

618
00:29:38,210 --> 00:29:34,799
experiencer

619
00:29:41,409 --> 00:29:38,220
because the case was very active whether

620
00:29:44,810 --> 00:29:41,419
I should in fact touch it

621
00:29:46,190 --> 00:29:44,820
I refused A number of stories that were

622
00:29:49,070 --> 00:29:46,200
shared with me

623
00:29:51,230 --> 00:29:49,080
because they were very active cases and

624
00:29:54,110 --> 00:29:51,240
what I sensed the infestation was about

625
00:29:56,450 --> 00:29:54,120
was more of an origin I wasn't prepared

626
00:29:58,850 --> 00:29:56,460
to handle

627
00:30:02,450 --> 00:29:58,860
um this was one of them

628
00:30:04,610 --> 00:30:02,460
so I had to take a back seat and think

629
00:30:07,570 --> 00:30:04,620
about it for about

630
00:30:11,210 --> 00:30:07,580
I would say two to three weeks

631
00:30:12,590 --> 00:30:11,220
I consulted a few people about the case

632
00:30:14,990 --> 00:30:12,600
which

633
00:30:17,889 --> 00:30:15,000
I've acknowledged in the book because I

634
00:30:21,049 --> 00:30:17,899
have called them a number of times

635
00:30:25,850 --> 00:30:21,059
to see if I was actually

636
00:30:27,889 --> 00:30:25,860
passing the boundaries of safety right

637
00:30:31,070 --> 00:30:27,899
um

638
00:30:32,330 --> 00:30:31,080
at the conclusion of that I decided I

639
00:30:35,810 --> 00:30:32,340
would go forward

640
00:30:38,690 --> 00:30:35,820
and listen to the rest of her story and

641
00:30:40,610 --> 00:30:38,700
of course it evolved to become more and

642
00:30:42,909 --> 00:30:40,620
more frightening

643
00:30:45,950 --> 00:30:42,919
and then there was an event

644
00:30:49,850 --> 00:30:45,960
which was a nightmare

645
00:30:52,010 --> 00:30:49,860
that was shared by both Tom and I

646
00:30:54,830 --> 00:30:52,020
and this is probably the first time I'll

647
00:30:56,870 --> 00:30:54,840
talk about it because I did not I'm not

648
00:30:58,549 --> 00:30:56,880
part of the book I'm basically the one

649
00:31:00,470 --> 00:30:58,559
who wrote the book but I did not put

650
00:31:02,930 --> 00:31:00,480
myself you're the outsider looking in

651
00:31:05,090 --> 00:31:02,940
I'm the outsider alone and there's

652
00:31:07,250 --> 00:31:05,100
probably one particular conversation

653
00:31:10,130 --> 00:31:07,260
where Tom asked her to reach out to me

654
00:31:13,070 --> 00:31:10,140
but that's about it

655
00:31:14,810 --> 00:31:13,080
so she had told me a certain event that

656
00:31:16,789 --> 00:31:14,820
happened to her but it wasn't really

657
00:31:19,130 --> 00:31:16,799
very specific

658
00:31:21,169 --> 00:31:19,140
but I got the distinct vibe that it was

659
00:31:26,029 --> 00:31:21,179
very troubling and it was very absorbing

660
00:31:29,090 --> 00:31:26,039
and it was something that kept Tom awake

661
00:31:32,210 --> 00:31:29,100
for a number of nights

662
00:31:35,810 --> 00:31:32,220
I followed up with a phone call to Tom

663
00:31:38,110 --> 00:31:35,820
to ask him if she had told him about

664
00:31:41,029 --> 00:31:38,120
this particular event

665
00:31:43,549 --> 00:31:41,039
and he shared with me that's why I had

666
00:31:46,789 --> 00:31:43,559
to stop for a while and I had to put the

667
00:31:50,810 --> 00:31:46,799
phone down and I had to stop contact

668
00:31:53,029 --> 00:31:50,820
because it was bothering me too much

669
00:31:54,649 --> 00:31:53,039
so here it is

670
00:31:57,889 --> 00:31:54,659
so one night

671
00:31:59,450 --> 00:31:57,899
I had settled in and it was probably at

672
00:32:03,710 --> 00:31:59,460
this point it wasn't even that late it

673
00:32:07,070 --> 00:32:03,720
was probably 9 30. I had settled in and

674
00:32:13,070 --> 00:32:09,529
I would say it's probably a couple of

675
00:32:16,730 --> 00:32:13,080
hours later not even 12 midnight yet

676
00:32:19,070 --> 00:32:16,740
when I felt my bed was shaking

677
00:32:19,850 --> 00:32:19,080
it was pitch dark in the room at that

678
00:32:23,090 --> 00:32:19,860
point

679
00:32:25,610 --> 00:32:23,100
my husband is a football baseball you

680
00:32:28,549 --> 00:32:25,620
name it sports fan so he watches all the

681
00:32:29,990 --> 00:32:28,559
games late at night so he was at the

682
00:32:32,630 --> 00:32:30,000
other end of the house in the living

683
00:32:36,169 --> 00:32:32,640
room and he was watching his game I was

684
00:32:38,269 --> 00:32:36,179
pretty much alone on the second floor

685
00:32:40,490 --> 00:32:38,279
um what is interesting is that we have

686
00:32:43,210 --> 00:32:40,500
two dogs in the house but neither dog

687
00:32:49,070 --> 00:32:46,090
the bed was shaking

688
00:32:50,630 --> 00:32:49,080
uh it was shaking so hard that it woke

689
00:32:56,450 --> 00:32:50,640
me up

690
00:33:02,710 --> 00:32:59,210
so I didn't

691
00:33:07,430 --> 00:33:02,720
and I felt something palpable

692
00:33:09,230 --> 00:33:07,440
close to the lower right hand side of my

693
00:33:12,789 --> 00:33:09,240
bed

694
00:33:15,950 --> 00:33:12,799
whatever it was was very dark

695
00:33:19,730 --> 00:33:15,960
it was shapeless

696
00:33:22,610 --> 00:33:19,740
and I distinctly heard chains

697
00:33:24,889 --> 00:33:22,620
being dragged on the floor

698
00:33:27,289 --> 00:33:24,899
oh my gosh

699
00:33:29,389 --> 00:33:27,299
now remember well you won't know this

700
00:33:32,509 --> 00:33:29,399
but I'll tell you this the entire

701
00:33:33,950 --> 00:33:32,519
bedroom is carpeted kind of like you

702
00:33:37,730 --> 00:33:33,960
know before the show started you were

703
00:33:42,549 --> 00:33:37,740
talking about the carpet our bedroom is

704
00:33:45,230 --> 00:33:42,559
also carpeted so for chains to be heard

705
00:33:47,930 --> 00:33:45,240
dragging on the floor usually the floor

706
00:33:51,590 --> 00:33:47,940
had to be either cement or at least

707
00:33:54,110 --> 00:33:51,600
hardwood or metal right

708
00:33:57,830 --> 00:33:54,120
but you could hear it and you could feel

709
00:33:59,930 --> 00:33:57,840
the weight of the chains that this being

710
00:34:04,250 --> 00:33:59,940
was dragging

711
00:34:08,149 --> 00:34:07,370
I've only had one other experience like

712
00:34:10,490 --> 00:34:08,159
this

713
00:34:13,570 --> 00:34:10,500
uh but it had nothing to do with an

714
00:34:17,750 --> 00:34:13,580
entity it had nothing to do with chains

715
00:34:21,409 --> 00:34:17,760
it was more a voice that I had heard and

716
00:34:28,430 --> 00:34:25,129
in this case the room also got very cold

717
00:34:31,329 --> 00:34:28,440
but the sound of chains I will never

718
00:34:37,669 --> 00:34:34,129
yes and and I felt like someone was

719
00:34:43,550 --> 00:34:37,679
really intently trying to get towards my

720
00:34:49,310 --> 00:34:46,669
I was fortunate enough that I was able

721
00:34:51,109 --> 00:34:49,320
to reach out a hand

722
00:34:54,889 --> 00:34:51,119
God knows what I would have touched over

723
00:34:56,510 --> 00:34:54,899
there right right exactly yeah brighter

724
00:34:58,910 --> 00:34:56,520
than I am I'm just gonna say that you're

725
00:35:01,070 --> 00:34:58,920
brighter than I am but I was able to

726
00:35:04,490 --> 00:35:01,080
reach for the lamp

727
00:35:06,290 --> 00:35:04,500
turn the light on and of course when you

728
00:35:09,170 --> 00:35:06,300
turn the light on and it does come on

729
00:35:13,910 --> 00:35:09,180
there's nothing there yeah

730
00:35:15,910 --> 00:35:13,920
so I instinctively reached for a

731
00:35:19,609 --> 00:35:15,920
crucifix

732
00:35:21,770 --> 00:35:19,619
and I have just by practice because I'm

733
00:35:25,310 --> 00:35:21,780
Roman Catholic it doesn't mean it's the

734
00:35:28,250 --> 00:35:25,320
only thing that's you know viable there

735
00:35:30,410 --> 00:35:28,260
I reached for the Holy Bible that was on

736
00:35:31,970 --> 00:35:30,420
the bed stand and I put it right next to

737
00:35:36,530 --> 00:35:31,980
me on the bed

738
00:35:39,650 --> 00:35:36,540
with the crucifix right on top right

739
00:35:43,310 --> 00:35:39,660
I kept the light on for as long as I

740
00:35:45,589 --> 00:35:43,320
could think probably about five minutes

741
00:35:48,710 --> 00:35:45,599
and then finally I shut the light off

742
00:35:55,370 --> 00:35:52,130
this time the bed started shaking

743
00:35:58,310 --> 00:35:55,380
violently again

744
00:36:01,190 --> 00:35:58,320
so finally I shot up

745
00:36:04,329 --> 00:36:01,200
I turned on the light and got out of the

746
00:36:08,870 --> 00:36:04,339
bed and I started looking for a reason

747
00:36:13,430 --> 00:36:11,210
so I went downstairs got a drink of

748
00:36:14,930 --> 00:36:13,440
water told my husband about it and he

749
00:36:15,730 --> 00:36:14,940
said I haven't felt anything in the

750
00:36:17,930 --> 00:36:15,740
house

751
00:36:19,609 --> 00:36:17,940
so if you're thinking there's a mini

752
00:36:21,650 --> 00:36:19,619
earthquake it would have been the entire

753
00:36:23,329 --> 00:36:21,660
house yeah he would have felt something

754
00:36:25,849 --> 00:36:23,339
yeah

755
00:36:29,150 --> 00:36:25,859
so I went back upstairs and at this

756
00:36:31,849 --> 00:36:29,160
point I kept I kept the light on I don't

757
00:36:34,849 --> 00:36:31,859
blame you yeah until he came up and and

758
00:36:36,770 --> 00:36:34,859
I said a short prayer I put the Bible

759
00:36:39,290 --> 00:36:36,780
back where it was it was still very

760
00:36:42,250 --> 00:36:39,300
visible the crucifix and then the

761
00:36:45,109 --> 00:36:42,260
activity stopped

762
00:36:48,050 --> 00:36:45,119
and you haven't had any sense no thanks

763
00:36:51,290 --> 00:36:48,060
I haven't had anything since yes nothing

764
00:36:52,569 --> 00:36:51,300
and and I I swear to the audience I do

765
00:36:55,430 --> 00:36:52,579
not drink

766
00:36:57,290 --> 00:36:55,440
no and you could see how it's affected

767
00:36:59,150 --> 00:36:57,300
you just the look on your face when

768
00:37:02,870 --> 00:36:59,160
you're telling it you could still see it

769
00:37:05,150 --> 00:37:02,880
it gives you that like guttural beer

770
00:37:09,230 --> 00:37:05,160
feeling going back and just retelling it

771
00:37:12,950 --> 00:37:09,240
so yeah and you know burn I was born and

772
00:37:15,170 --> 00:37:12,960
raised in a haunted house I came from a

773
00:37:19,250 --> 00:37:15,180
haunted apartment into a haunted house

774
00:37:22,490 --> 00:37:19,260
which was even worse so I I know exactly

775
00:37:25,130 --> 00:37:22,500
what it feels like and and this is one

776
00:37:27,530 --> 00:37:25,140
of those that really really brought back

777
00:37:29,390 --> 00:37:27,540
a lot of memories and I never thought I

778
00:37:31,849 --> 00:37:29,400
would have I was already at this point

779
00:37:34,790 --> 00:37:31,859
halfway through the book

780
00:37:36,410 --> 00:37:34,800
and I had to stop

781
00:37:41,210 --> 00:37:36,420
for about a week

782
00:37:43,370 --> 00:37:41,220
to reassess what that was about

783
00:37:45,290 --> 00:37:43,380
then it did it make you want to stop

784
00:37:47,630 --> 00:37:45,300
like completely stop writing the book

785
00:37:50,930 --> 00:37:47,640
and give up on it

786
00:37:53,870 --> 00:37:50,940
I called another friend

787
00:37:56,329 --> 00:37:53,880
um who happens to be an exorcist

788
00:38:00,050 --> 00:37:56,339
uh and I shared with him a little bit

789
00:38:01,970 --> 00:38:00,060
about what what was happening with this

790
00:38:04,010 --> 00:38:01,980
woman you know without naming names or

791
00:38:05,930 --> 00:38:04,020
locations because I had to honor her

792
00:38:07,490 --> 00:38:05,940
anonymity

793
00:38:09,109 --> 00:38:07,500
um

794
00:38:10,490 --> 00:38:09,119
and he said there's prayers to

795
00:38:12,349 --> 00:38:10,500
protection

796
00:38:15,050 --> 00:38:12,359
if you want to continue writing the book

797
00:38:17,870 --> 00:38:15,060
I would suggest you do this on a daily

798
00:38:21,349 --> 00:38:17,880
basis before you actually write the book

799
00:38:24,230 --> 00:38:21,359
and I said okay because I'm most of the

800
00:38:26,750 --> 00:38:24,240
time I'm alone when I'm writing it only

801
00:38:28,609 --> 00:38:26,760
because it's easier to concentrate I

802
00:38:32,569 --> 00:38:28,619
used to write in coffee houses where you

803
00:38:36,050 --> 00:38:32,579
could hear you know talking which made

804
00:38:37,730 --> 00:38:36,060
it less I would say less invasive in a

805
00:38:40,270 --> 00:38:37,740
sense

806
00:38:43,609 --> 00:38:40,280
um this one I was really deep into

807
00:38:46,430 --> 00:38:43,619
writing it so much so that it felt like

808
00:38:49,310 --> 00:38:46,440
I was actually living it I was living

809
00:38:50,390 --> 00:38:49,320
which she was going through

810
00:38:52,550 --> 00:38:50,400
um

811
00:38:54,550 --> 00:38:52,560
it got to the point where there were

812
00:38:56,810 --> 00:38:54,560
some very difficult

813
00:38:59,930 --> 00:38:56,820
uh chapters

814
00:39:01,329 --> 00:38:59,940
that in writing it I realized how

815
00:39:04,970 --> 00:39:01,339
profoundly

816
00:39:05,750 --> 00:39:04,980
terrifying her life was

817
00:39:08,270 --> 00:39:05,760
um

818
00:39:10,430 --> 00:39:08,280
and I think it affected her so deeply

819
00:39:12,829 --> 00:39:10,440
that she wanted to share it which is why

820
00:39:16,130 --> 00:39:12,839
I think she decided finally

821
00:39:18,890 --> 00:39:16,140
to share what had happened to her all

822
00:39:21,410 --> 00:39:18,900
those Decades of her life

823
00:39:23,990 --> 00:39:21,420
and you're the type of writer who you

824
00:39:26,030 --> 00:39:24,000
take the reader to that place

825
00:39:27,829 --> 00:39:26,040
so like you're saying that you've gotten

826
00:39:30,290 --> 00:39:27,839
that involved well when you read your

827
00:39:33,170 --> 00:39:30,300
books you take the reader to the place

828
00:39:35,630 --> 00:39:33,180
like your last book Unholy structure you

829
00:39:37,310 --> 00:39:35,640
put the reader in that house I thought

830
00:39:42,290 --> 00:39:37,320
we wanted to be in the house or not you

831
00:39:47,210 --> 00:39:44,810
you you put you put the reader in the

832
00:39:49,370 --> 00:39:47,220
middle of the situation so we feel like

833
00:39:51,829 --> 00:39:49,380
we're we're with the teams or we're with

834
00:39:53,329 --> 00:39:51,839
the people or we're with the people with

835
00:39:55,130 --> 00:39:53,339
the haunted objects like one of your

836
00:39:58,130 --> 00:39:55,140
previous books I mean you're that type

837
00:39:59,870 --> 00:39:58,140
of writer thank you yeah thank you I

838
00:40:02,930 --> 00:39:59,880
hope so

839
00:40:04,250 --> 00:40:02,940
but I mean it's it's that's very scary I

840
00:40:05,810 --> 00:40:04,260
hope you never have anything like that

841
00:40:08,569 --> 00:40:05,820
again happen

842
00:40:11,329 --> 00:40:08,579
yeah and I've learned to protect myself

843
00:40:13,609 --> 00:40:11,339
I think by Consulting other paranormal

844
00:40:16,069 --> 00:40:13,619
investigators and I'm not a Paranormal

845
00:40:19,069 --> 00:40:16,079
Investigator I used to be a UFO

846
00:40:21,589 --> 00:40:19,079
investigator uh and and that in itself

847
00:40:23,990 --> 00:40:21,599
is terrifying when you're actually on

848
00:40:26,630 --> 00:40:24,000
the ground and you're with just a couple

849
00:40:30,290 --> 00:40:26,640
of people and you're trying to figure

850
00:40:34,490 --> 00:40:30,300
out what's out there uh you know kudos

851
00:40:37,030 --> 00:40:34,500
to them I'm just sitting back now and I

852
00:40:40,490 --> 00:40:37,040
am one step removed from the situation

853
00:40:43,430 --> 00:40:40,500
uh I did not go to her house I did not

854
00:40:46,790 --> 00:40:43,440
visit the town she was in

855
00:40:50,569 --> 00:40:46,800
I think to do that would really put you

856
00:40:53,150 --> 00:40:50,579
in that situation yeah but I think

857
00:40:55,490 --> 00:40:53,160
writing about it was enough to make me

858
00:40:58,130 --> 00:40:55,500
realize I might as well be in there

859
00:41:01,010 --> 00:40:58,140
with her yeah

860
00:41:03,349 --> 00:41:01,020
now being a former investigator the

861
00:41:05,390 --> 00:41:03,359
cases you've worked on comparing it to

862
00:41:07,190 --> 00:41:05,400
this case is this case probably the

863
00:41:10,609 --> 00:41:07,200
worst case you've seen or have there

864
00:41:14,030 --> 00:41:10,619
been worse you know even more I think

865
00:41:16,730 --> 00:41:14,040
there has been one that's worse but this

866
00:41:18,950 --> 00:41:16,740
one is the one that's most convoluted in

867
00:41:20,870 --> 00:41:18,960
the sense that you know you got two

868
00:41:23,930 --> 00:41:20,880
investigative camps that I could tell

869
00:41:26,750 --> 00:41:23,940
you've got the UFO investigators on this

870
00:41:30,050 --> 00:41:26,760
corner and then you have the paranormal

871
00:41:32,450 --> 00:41:30,060
investigators who are looking at haunted

872
00:41:33,530 --> 00:41:32,460
homes haunted objects things of that

873
00:41:35,870 --> 00:41:33,540
nature

874
00:41:38,630 --> 00:41:35,880
they don't necessarily mix together

875
00:41:40,730 --> 00:41:38,640
they're in like two separate camps but

876
00:41:43,790 --> 00:41:40,740
in this book you're going to see that

877
00:41:46,550 --> 00:41:43,800
it's impossible to separate them

878
00:41:49,550 --> 00:41:46,560
when I look at all the information that

879
00:41:52,790 --> 00:41:49,560
I had been given by Tom and by this

880
00:41:57,109 --> 00:41:52,800
woman at the same time I'm thinking to

881
00:41:59,510 --> 00:41:57,119
myself okay we start with a haunting and

882
00:42:01,670 --> 00:41:59,520
we end with an abduction

883
00:42:04,970 --> 00:42:01,680
yeah there's just no other way to

884
00:42:08,150 --> 00:42:04,980
because I I I try to turn it so many

885
00:42:10,490 --> 00:42:08,160
different ways to figure out okay

886
00:42:14,569 --> 00:42:10,500
when The Haunting ended

887
00:42:17,930 --> 00:42:14,579
is that when these et's came in or are

888
00:42:20,630 --> 00:42:17,940
we just looking at shape shifters that

889
00:42:23,930 --> 00:42:20,640
are acting as if they're abducting

890
00:42:25,910 --> 00:42:23,940
and she was levitating as well

891
00:42:28,910 --> 00:42:25,920
oh my goodness

892
00:42:31,730 --> 00:42:28,920
so I don't I don't know

893
00:42:34,370 --> 00:42:31,740
you don't yeah I mean was there was ever

894
00:42:36,589 --> 00:42:34,380
a brief pause in between like the

895
00:42:38,450 --> 00:42:36,599
hauntings and the abduction or the just

896
00:42:41,990 --> 00:42:38,460
like go right together

897
00:42:44,230 --> 00:42:42,000
it kind of shifted is the perception I

898
00:42:47,210 --> 00:42:44,240
got from the interviews I had with her

899
00:42:50,270 --> 00:42:47,220
that somehow it was proceeding as a

900
00:42:52,430 --> 00:42:50,280
haunting an infestation that seemed to

901
00:42:54,650 --> 00:42:52,440
follow her from her first home to the

902
00:42:56,990 --> 00:42:54,660
second home which was the grandfather's

903
00:43:01,849 --> 00:42:57,000
house into the current home

904
00:43:04,309 --> 00:43:01,859
but somehow as she told me in 2017

905
00:43:06,290 --> 00:43:04,319
she started getting abducted and there's

906
00:43:07,309 --> 00:43:06,300
more to it Bernadette than just an

907
00:43:09,589 --> 00:43:07,319
abduction

908
00:43:11,690 --> 00:43:09,599
and this is when I started believing it

909
00:43:14,270 --> 00:43:11,700
this is when Tom started getting

910
00:43:20,530 --> 00:43:14,280
photographs

911
00:43:22,849 --> 00:43:20,540
and I happened to get one of them

912
00:43:25,430 --> 00:43:22,859
was it just photographs of what was

913
00:43:27,410 --> 00:43:25,440
happening to her or of the beings she

914
00:43:29,930 --> 00:43:27,420
was getting injuries

915
00:43:33,890 --> 00:43:29,940
oh my goodness

916
00:43:36,950 --> 00:43:33,900
and then we see these in the oh sorry no

917
00:43:39,230 --> 00:43:36,960
no will we see these in the book as well

918
00:43:41,450 --> 00:43:39,240
no she would not allow us to publish it

919
00:43:45,190 --> 00:43:41,460
but a medical doctor did examine her

920
00:43:47,870 --> 00:43:45,200
okay uh and he he believed her

921
00:43:50,630 --> 00:43:47,880
and so now the three children believe

922
00:43:53,030 --> 00:43:50,640
her her friends now believe her she's no

923
00:43:55,309 --> 00:43:53,040
longer alone because now we have

924
00:43:57,589 --> 00:43:55,319
concrete evidence of things that were

925
00:44:00,230 --> 00:43:57,599
happening in the dead of night when

926
00:44:01,069 --> 00:44:00,240
she's alone the husband passed away way

927
00:44:04,790 --> 00:44:01,079
back

928
00:44:07,790 --> 00:44:04,800
he was involved in a tragic accident and

929
00:44:09,589 --> 00:44:07,800
that in itself is kind of scary how that

930
00:44:12,290 --> 00:44:09,599
happened

931
00:44:14,270 --> 00:44:12,300
I from everything you've told me I I

932
00:44:16,010 --> 00:44:14,280
wouldn't be surprised I I don't even

933
00:44:18,109 --> 00:44:16,020
know if I want to know

934
00:44:21,410 --> 00:44:18,119
um we have a question from Nancy Malcolm

935
00:44:24,109 --> 00:44:21,420
she said she'll be reading the book uh

936
00:44:27,050 --> 00:44:24,119
because the readers let's see well

937
00:44:29,270 --> 00:44:27,060
reading this book caused the readers to

938
00:44:31,309 --> 00:44:29,280
be targeted by the same entity that came

939
00:44:34,010 --> 00:44:31,319
to your house

940
00:44:37,609 --> 00:44:34,020
I hope not I mean

941
00:44:40,430 --> 00:44:37,619
when you're reading a scary book and and

942
00:44:42,290 --> 00:44:40,440
this is not not just this book but any

943
00:44:44,809 --> 00:44:42,300
book out there where there's a

944
00:44:46,609 --> 00:44:44,819
non-fiction element based on a true

945
00:44:51,650 --> 00:44:46,619
story

946
00:44:53,930 --> 00:44:51,660
um usually you're so far removed from it

947
00:44:57,109 --> 00:44:53,940
um like when I think about the Ed and

948
00:44:59,630 --> 00:44:57,119
Lorraine Warren cases the stories that

949
00:45:02,150 --> 00:44:59,640
came out of Connecticut the Annabelle

950
00:45:04,609 --> 00:45:02,160
doll and things of that nature I think

951
00:45:07,550 --> 00:45:04,619
the people who were directly involved

952
00:45:10,430 --> 00:45:07,560
that actually came to the site and got

953
00:45:12,290 --> 00:45:10,440
in contact with the object or the house

954
00:45:14,750 --> 00:45:12,300
or the people

955
00:45:17,150 --> 00:45:14,760
usually I think that's where you end up

956
00:45:19,910 --> 00:45:17,160
in danger of an attachment

957
00:45:21,710 --> 00:45:19,920
this one you're far removed

958
00:45:24,410 --> 00:45:21,720
um you know you're going to read about

959
00:45:27,589 --> 00:45:24,420
it and and like Bernadette said you're

960
00:45:29,750 --> 00:45:27,599
probably gonna become immersed in it uh

961
00:45:32,150 --> 00:45:29,760
but I have yet to hear of anybody you

962
00:45:35,150 --> 00:45:32,160
know becoming contaminated so to speak a

963
00:45:38,630 --> 00:45:35,160
lack of a better word by just reading it

964
00:45:40,730 --> 00:45:38,640
yeah I certainly hope not right and I've

965
00:45:42,349 --> 00:45:40,740
I've read two of your books so far and

966
00:45:44,630 --> 00:45:42,359
no nothing bad has happened to me

967
00:45:47,030 --> 00:45:44,640
nothing I just I've just felt like I've

968
00:45:48,829 --> 00:45:47,040
been in them you know like you said

969
00:45:51,410 --> 00:45:48,839
immersed in them but nothing bad has

970
00:45:53,930 --> 00:45:51,420
happened so but I mean we were basically

971
00:45:56,210 --> 00:45:53,940
close to the situation I mean you were

972
00:45:58,970 --> 00:45:56,220
in contact with this woman you were in

973
00:46:00,710 --> 00:45:58,980
contact with your co-author you were you

974
00:46:02,210 --> 00:46:00,720
were just like in literally in the

975
00:46:05,270 --> 00:46:02,220
middle of it so

976
00:46:06,829 --> 00:46:05,280
that would kind of you know put you in

977
00:46:08,809 --> 00:46:06,839
the Forefront of their attention of

978
00:46:11,870 --> 00:46:08,819
these beings attention

979
00:46:15,230 --> 00:46:11,880
and and I would say just to add to allay

980
00:46:18,410 --> 00:46:15,240
anybody's fears I mean my co-author uh

981
00:46:19,849 --> 00:46:18,420
has talked and known this experiencer

982
00:46:21,950 --> 00:46:19,859
for several years

983
00:46:24,109 --> 00:46:21,960
nothing has ever happened to him except

984
00:46:26,210 --> 00:46:24,119
for that one dream that he had and I

985
00:46:28,069 --> 00:46:26,220
think you know because when you're

986
00:46:30,530 --> 00:46:28,079
talking to someone for a sustained

987
00:46:33,530 --> 00:46:30,540
period of time eventually because we're

988
00:46:37,150 --> 00:46:33,540
by Nature empathetic people you know we

989
00:46:40,970 --> 00:46:37,160
we end up kind of like thinking about it

990
00:46:44,089 --> 00:46:40,980
and feeling their pain and so it kind of

991
00:46:46,069 --> 00:46:44,099
invades our own Consciousness uh when

992
00:46:47,390 --> 00:46:46,079
we're least likely to expect it which

993
00:46:50,990 --> 00:46:47,400
would be at night

994
00:46:52,790 --> 00:46:51,000
right now out of all the cases you've

995
00:46:55,430 --> 00:46:52,800
dealt with you know from any of your

996
00:46:57,950 --> 00:46:55,440
books what has been your favorite

997
00:47:00,880 --> 00:46:57,960
what has been my favorite yeah I'm gonna

998
00:47:03,109 --> 00:47:00,890
make you pick your favorite child

999
00:47:07,849 --> 00:47:03,119
[Music]

1000
00:47:10,130 --> 00:47:07,859
I I it's hard to pick one because

1001
00:47:13,130 --> 00:47:10,140
there's always something interesting

1002
00:47:15,470 --> 00:47:13,140
about each one of them

1003
00:47:20,510 --> 00:47:15,480
um when I was writing haunted heirlooms

1004
00:47:23,329 --> 00:47:20,520
I was really just shocked

1005
00:47:26,930 --> 00:47:23,339
um at that animal that came out of the

1006
00:47:31,309 --> 00:47:26,940
urn whatever that was yeah

1007
00:47:33,650 --> 00:47:31,319
um that to me was very puzzling

1008
00:47:36,349 --> 00:47:33,660
um another one was a gentleman who's a

1009
00:47:40,130 --> 00:47:36,359
friend of mine actually

1010
00:47:43,309 --> 00:47:40,140
um who really almost went into therapy

1011
00:47:46,510 --> 00:47:43,319
because of a

1012
00:47:50,930 --> 00:47:46,520
of all things a lithograph

1013
00:47:52,150 --> 00:47:50,940
Alyssa Graf that came into his antique

1014
00:47:56,030 --> 00:47:52,160
store

1015
00:47:57,770 --> 00:47:56,040
that he tried to get rid of that changed

1016
00:47:59,150 --> 00:47:57,780
according to the people who were looking

1017
00:48:02,390 --> 00:47:59,160
at it

1018
00:48:09,470 --> 00:48:04,490
um this is something he wasn't expecting

1019
00:48:12,890 --> 00:48:09,480
his business almost tanked because of it

1020
00:48:17,450 --> 00:48:12,900
um he had a very trash

1021
00:48:22,550 --> 00:48:20,630
parents died tragically and the last

1022
00:48:24,890 --> 00:48:22,560
thing he remembers that his wife

1023
00:48:26,809 --> 00:48:24,900
remembers as well is that they were

1024
00:48:31,670 --> 00:48:26,819
looking at that picture

1025
00:48:33,710 --> 00:48:31,680
it was sad yeah yeah and how would it

1026
00:48:35,329 --> 00:48:33,720
change like what was the lithograph of

1027
00:48:38,150 --> 00:48:35,339
Do You Remember

1028
00:48:40,790 --> 00:48:38,160
it was there was a castle in the

1029
00:48:44,109 --> 00:48:40,800
background and there was a young girl on

1030
00:48:48,230 --> 00:48:44,119
a swing that was swinging

1031
00:48:52,210 --> 00:48:48,240
and he sent me the lithograph

1032
00:48:56,329 --> 00:48:52,220
and he cautioned me about looking at it

1033
00:48:57,609 --> 00:48:56,339
and I really briefly looked at it I I

1034
00:49:00,950 --> 00:48:57,619
saw a castle

1035
00:49:03,670 --> 00:49:00,960
and I I saw a young girl on the

1036
00:49:07,010 --> 00:49:03,680
foreground on a swing swinging

1037
00:49:11,750 --> 00:49:07,020
and I remarked to him

1038
00:49:15,109 --> 00:49:11,760
I said Sam the Castle's on fire

1039
00:49:17,750 --> 00:49:15,119
and he said no it's not

1040
00:49:22,609 --> 00:49:17,760
oh because the windows had Flames all

1041
00:49:28,430 --> 00:49:26,390
and I said okay is there a girl yes

1042
00:49:30,950 --> 00:49:28,440
is she on a swing

1043
00:49:34,670 --> 00:49:30,960
no she's standing facing me

1044
00:49:36,370 --> 00:49:34,680
and I said Sam the girls want to swing

1045
00:49:43,490 --> 00:49:36,380
yeah

1046
00:49:45,470 --> 00:49:43,500
don't know what causes it to change to

1047
00:49:48,950 --> 00:49:45,480
tell you the truth we still don't know

1048
00:49:51,170 --> 00:49:48,960
do you still have it as of today he

1049
00:49:53,510 --> 00:49:51,180
finally was able to give it to a woman

1050
00:49:56,630 --> 00:49:53,520
who was interested in all kinds of

1051
00:49:59,390 --> 00:49:56,640
mystical phenomena she lived in a huge

1052
00:50:02,329 --> 00:49:59,400
house that had a turret and what we

1053
00:50:06,670 --> 00:50:02,339
thought was uncanny was that the house

1054
00:50:10,970 --> 00:50:06,680
that he finally went to to get rid of it

1055
00:50:12,050 --> 00:50:10,980
the house looked like the house in the

1056
00:50:16,790 --> 00:50:12,060
lithograph

1057
00:50:19,250 --> 00:50:16,800
oh my goodness had two turrets one of

1058
00:50:23,690 --> 00:50:19,260
them was like a museum she had things

1059
00:50:25,309 --> 00:50:23,700
behind glass antique books paintings all

1060
00:50:27,410 --> 00:50:25,319
kinds of different things it was

1061
00:50:30,230 --> 00:50:27,420
actually the type of her top of her

1062
00:50:32,990 --> 00:50:30,240
Library excuse me she had a library on

1063
00:50:37,190 --> 00:50:33,000
the lower two floors and then she had a

1064
00:50:40,550 --> 00:50:37,200
spiral staircase that went to all these

1065
00:50:43,309 --> 00:50:40,560
different preserved antique books and in

1066
00:50:45,710 --> 00:50:43,319
between she had walls and she that's

1067
00:50:46,670 --> 00:50:45,720
where she put the lithograph in the

1068
00:50:49,549 --> 00:50:46,680
turret

1069
00:50:51,890 --> 00:50:49,559
behind glass where people couldn't

1070
00:50:54,470 --> 00:50:51,900
easily access it and they couldn't look

1071
00:50:56,930 --> 00:50:54,480
at it unless they went up to the library

1072
00:50:59,329 --> 00:50:56,940
and actually climbed up the spiral

1073
00:51:01,309 --> 00:50:59,339
staircase

1074
00:51:03,410 --> 00:51:01,319
I bet the lithograph is happy though

1075
00:51:06,470 --> 00:51:03,420
because it's basically in a place where

1076
00:51:09,710 --> 00:51:06,480
you know where it looks like it you know

1077
00:51:11,770 --> 00:51:09,720
what I mean like you said yeah yes

1078
00:51:15,530 --> 00:51:11,780
right

1079
00:51:18,790 --> 00:51:15,540
yeah yeah and it's it's weird because if

1080
00:51:22,450 --> 00:51:18,800
you saw what I saw and I I know

1081
00:51:26,150 --> 00:51:22,460
I saw a castle with the windows

1082
00:51:29,390 --> 00:51:26,160
seemingly with fire tongues of flames

1083
00:51:31,549 --> 00:51:29,400
coming out of them out of the turret the

1084
00:51:33,349 --> 00:51:31,559
turret looks just like the turret where

1085
00:51:35,990 --> 00:51:33,359
the place is actually where the

1086
00:51:37,910 --> 00:51:36,000
lithograph is actually housed the

1087
00:51:41,809 --> 00:51:37,920
lithograph by the way folks is is

1088
00:51:44,150 --> 00:51:41,819
nothing but a type of painting and what

1089
00:51:46,609 --> 00:51:44,160
people do is they

1090
00:51:48,230 --> 00:51:46,619
and and there's several copies of this I

1091
00:51:52,030 --> 00:51:48,240
don't know where the other copies are

1092
00:51:55,790 --> 00:51:52,040
but usually you take a piece of Steel

1093
00:51:58,790 --> 00:51:55,800
you carve an image into it you put paint

1094
00:52:01,490 --> 00:51:58,800
on it and then you press down onto a

1095
00:52:03,470 --> 00:52:01,500
piece of paper the piece of paper is the

1096
00:52:06,109 --> 00:52:03,480
one that becomes the lithograph that's

1097
00:52:10,549 --> 00:52:08,510
let's see if I can put that mortal klon

1098
00:52:12,829 --> 00:52:10,559
says wonder if the lithograph found its

1099
00:52:14,390 --> 00:52:12,839
way home I agree with her

1100
00:52:15,290 --> 00:52:14,400
probably

1101
00:52:17,510 --> 00:52:15,300
yeah

1102
00:52:20,210 --> 00:52:17,520
no I I agree with them

1103
00:52:22,910 --> 00:52:20,220
I mean because that is that's amazing I

1104
00:52:24,890 --> 00:52:22,920
wonder if these things do that like it

1105
00:52:27,130 --> 00:52:24,900
was just angry at every place it went

1106
00:52:29,690 --> 00:52:27,140
like it came to you and it showed fire

1107
00:52:31,430 --> 00:52:29,700
you know it was at that guy's shop and

1108
00:52:32,990 --> 00:52:31,440
it was showing different you know plays

1109
00:52:34,190 --> 00:52:33,000
because it's like this is not where I'm

1110
00:52:37,069 --> 00:52:34,200
meant to be

1111
00:52:39,049 --> 00:52:37,079
this is you know this is not my home I

1112
00:52:40,790 --> 00:52:39,059
don't want to be here so it's just kind

1113
00:52:44,990 --> 00:52:40,800
of like a child in the way throwing a

1114
00:52:47,510 --> 00:52:45,000
tantrum yes yes yeah and it's very

1115
00:52:50,870 --> 00:52:47,520
strange because I think that it had such

1116
00:52:53,390 --> 00:52:50,880
a traumatic effect on some people that

1117
00:52:55,870 --> 00:52:53,400
when they saw it they gasped

1118
00:52:58,970 --> 00:52:55,880
and it was playing with Sam's head

1119
00:53:00,589 --> 00:52:58,980
because he got to the point where he

1120
00:53:03,049 --> 00:53:00,599
rolled it up

1121
00:53:04,910 --> 00:53:03,059
took it to his parents house that he was

1122
00:53:07,730 --> 00:53:04,920
about to sell after they passed away

1123
00:53:10,490 --> 00:53:07,740
because they had this beautiful home out

1124
00:53:11,690 --> 00:53:10,500
in the sticks somewhere he put it in the

1125
00:53:18,170 --> 00:53:11,700
fireplace

1126
00:53:20,710 --> 00:53:18,180
and it still came out of it intact

1127
00:53:23,990 --> 00:53:20,720
oh my goodness

1128
00:53:26,510 --> 00:53:24,000
unsinged as if nothing had happened to

1129
00:53:28,910 --> 00:53:26,520
it it was so indestructible he didn't

1130
00:53:35,930 --> 00:53:28,920
know what to do with it

1131
00:53:41,210 --> 00:53:39,410
did I lose you okay I think we did I

1132
00:53:44,510 --> 00:53:41,220
think we had we're having a storm here

1133
00:53:46,490 --> 00:53:44,520
so I think we did oh wonderful yeah

1134
00:53:48,290 --> 00:53:46,500
right there's it's been thundering I'm

1135
00:53:50,809 --> 00:53:48,300
surprised nobody's commented on the

1136
00:53:53,930 --> 00:53:50,819
Thunder but yeah it's been thundering

1137
00:53:55,549 --> 00:53:53,940
um I I think maybe that like you know

1138
00:53:58,010 --> 00:53:55,559
made it Angry putting it in the fire

1139
00:53:59,990 --> 00:53:58,020
like that's that's just the way to just

1140
00:54:02,329 --> 00:54:00,000
make things worse I mean I understand

1141
00:54:04,730 --> 00:54:02,339
like what are you gonna do

1142
00:54:06,770 --> 00:54:04,740
you know what if all those fails you're

1143
00:54:09,549 --> 00:54:06,780
gonna just natural action is just like

1144
00:54:13,130 --> 00:54:09,559
burn it to get rid of it

1145
00:54:15,710 --> 00:54:13,140
so another one that stood out and and

1146
00:54:20,210 --> 00:54:15,720
this is earlier on this was in the first

1147
00:54:25,250 --> 00:54:20,220
book and I probably discussed this uh in

1148
00:54:28,670 --> 00:54:25,260
the first few times I was in launch show

1149
00:54:30,410 --> 00:54:28,680
um is the encounter I had well I was too

1150
00:54:32,750 --> 00:54:30,420
young at the time but my father's

1151
00:54:34,670 --> 00:54:32,760
encounter with a Mothman

1152
00:54:38,750 --> 00:54:34,680
do you want to retell that for everyone

1153
00:54:41,089 --> 00:54:38,760
who doesn't know this is one where

1154
00:54:43,010 --> 00:54:41,099
um and then this is very personal to me

1155
00:54:46,010 --> 00:54:43,020
I was only two years old when this

1156
00:54:48,049 --> 00:54:46,020
happened uh but I think this is what set

1157
00:54:50,150 --> 00:54:48,059
the course for me to become interested

1158
00:54:53,089 --> 00:54:50,160
in the Paranormal and eventually to

1159
00:54:55,569 --> 00:54:53,099
write about it uh my father himself was

1160
00:54:59,150 --> 00:54:55,579
a writer he was a freelance writer

1161
00:55:01,990 --> 00:54:59,160
at the time we were in the early 60s not

1162
00:55:05,450 --> 00:55:02,000
to date myself but he was

1163
00:55:07,490 --> 00:55:05,460
he was renting a townhouse with my

1164
00:55:09,950 --> 00:55:07,500
mother

1165
00:55:12,470 --> 00:55:09,960
um the town has had three bedrooms one

1166
00:55:15,950 --> 00:55:12,480
bedroom was theirs one was the nursery

1167
00:55:18,829 --> 00:55:15,960
which was mine and in between that he

1168
00:55:20,870 --> 00:55:18,839
had like a little Den where he had a

1169
00:55:24,170 --> 00:55:20,880
typewriter was like one of those Smith

1170
00:55:26,930 --> 00:55:24,180
Corona typewriters you know made a steal

1171
00:55:29,210 --> 00:55:26,940
and all that yeah the nice ones yeah the

1172
00:55:32,630 --> 00:55:29,220
nice ones and um

1173
00:55:34,910 --> 00:55:32,640
as things went as they lived in the

1174
00:55:37,490 --> 00:55:34,920
apartment and it took a few weeks for

1175
00:55:38,750 --> 00:55:37,500
this to happen he would start writing

1176
00:55:41,990 --> 00:55:38,760
after dinner

1177
00:55:43,970 --> 00:55:42,000
uh and he faced a huge window the window

1178
00:55:46,190 --> 00:55:43,980
went all the way up to the ceiling and

1179
00:55:48,170 --> 00:55:46,200
across to the other two bedrooms on

1180
00:55:50,569 --> 00:55:48,180
either side of him

1181
00:55:51,410 --> 00:55:50,579
there's a huge tree in the back with a

1182
00:55:54,829 --> 00:55:51,420
creek

1183
00:56:00,430 --> 00:55:54,839
and as soon as night fell something

1184
00:56:04,370 --> 00:56:00,440
would unfold itself from that huge tree

1185
00:56:06,790 --> 00:56:04,380
and come and attached itself to the

1186
00:56:11,089 --> 00:56:06,800
window and look down to him

1187
00:56:14,510 --> 00:56:11,099
and I remember when I saw the movie

1188
00:56:18,410 --> 00:56:14,520
with the Mothman with Richard Gere

1189
00:56:20,930 --> 00:56:18,420
I uh I just had a visceral reaction it

1190
00:56:23,089 --> 00:56:20,940
just really took me by surprise and to

1191
00:56:24,770 --> 00:56:23,099
this day I don't know why I reacted that

1192
00:56:27,589 --> 00:56:24,780
way I must have seen it

1193
00:56:29,569 --> 00:56:27,599
you must have even being two years old I

1194
00:56:31,790 --> 00:56:29,579
mean you would you would have that

1195
00:56:33,650 --> 00:56:31,800
memory but not the hard you know the

1196
00:56:36,770 --> 00:56:33,660
core memory of like oh I can't remember

1197
00:56:39,530 --> 00:56:36,780
it yeah yes yes exactly I think that's

1198
00:56:42,890 --> 00:56:39,540
what it was but apparently my mother

1199
00:56:44,150 --> 00:56:42,900
never saw it okay until one particular

1200
00:56:47,270 --> 00:56:44,160
evening

1201
00:56:48,290 --> 00:56:47,280
uh we had a woman who was helping out in

1202
00:56:51,829 --> 00:56:48,300
the house

1203
00:56:52,849 --> 00:56:51,839
and she was coming in to check on my

1204
00:56:55,790 --> 00:56:52,859
father

1205
00:56:57,770 --> 00:56:55,800
and she saw the thing standing right

1206
00:57:01,130 --> 00:56:57,780
outside the window

1207
00:57:03,710 --> 00:57:01,140
and what she described was a bat with

1208
00:57:06,950 --> 00:57:03,720
the wings spread out looking right down

1209
00:57:12,170 --> 00:57:06,960
at him with the eyes of a goat and kind

1210
00:57:15,710 --> 00:57:12,180
of like that long goatee with the horns

1211
00:57:16,790 --> 00:57:15,720
and she just sensed evil she started

1212
00:57:19,910 --> 00:57:16,800
screaming

1213
00:57:22,010 --> 00:57:19,920
my mother ran up the steps just in time

1214
00:57:24,290 --> 00:57:22,020
to see it hovering

1215
00:57:25,910 --> 00:57:24,300
and my father was looking down he didn't

1216
00:57:28,430 --> 00:57:25,920
want to make eye contact

1217
00:57:30,950 --> 00:57:28,440
and apparently he wrote about it and

1218
00:57:33,049 --> 00:57:30,960
some of it was not published

1219
00:57:34,549 --> 00:57:33,059
um one day I guess I'll find it I don't

1220
00:57:37,730 --> 00:57:34,559
know

1221
00:57:40,430 --> 00:57:37,740
she reached for a cross that was on the

1222
00:57:43,309 --> 00:57:40,440
other wall of the room

1223
00:57:44,990 --> 00:57:43,319
she grabbed it off of the hook and she

1224
00:57:47,390 --> 00:57:45,000
approached it

1225
00:57:51,290 --> 00:57:47,400
which I thought was really Brave of her

1226
00:57:53,450 --> 00:57:51,300
and she against its face

1227
00:57:55,970 --> 00:57:53,460
and whatever you know like with the

1228
00:57:56,890 --> 00:57:55,980
vampire movies The Vampire Shields

1229
00:58:00,589 --> 00:57:56,900
itself

1230
00:58:04,010 --> 00:58:00,599
from the Sun this creature just kind of

1231
00:58:06,589 --> 00:58:04,020
shielded itself with its batwing and

1232
00:58:08,270 --> 00:58:06,599
started to go down like it's

1233
00:58:10,430 --> 00:58:08,280
effervescing

1234
00:58:12,910 --> 00:58:10,440
towards the bottom of the window and

1235
00:58:15,950 --> 00:58:12,920
this is the second floor

1236
00:58:19,250 --> 00:58:15,960
did they find anything like on the lower

1237
00:58:21,950 --> 00:58:19,260
part did they see it no but there was

1238
00:58:24,890 --> 00:58:21,960
nothing no Footprints nothing at all and

1239
00:58:27,170 --> 00:58:24,900
this went on for several months

1240
00:58:28,250 --> 00:58:27,180
I wonder why it targeted like your

1241
00:58:30,770 --> 00:58:28,260
family

1242
00:58:34,010 --> 00:58:30,780
yeah what was it about you know that oh

1243
00:58:36,470 --> 00:58:34,020
and like maybe your dad or or even you

1244
00:58:38,390 --> 00:58:36,480
or your mom you said your mom didn't see

1245
00:58:40,190 --> 00:58:38,400
it often but still I mean there was

1246
00:58:43,130 --> 00:58:40,200
something about the house or the people

1247
00:58:46,010 --> 00:58:43,140
in it that it was and it's interesting

1248
00:58:47,349 --> 00:58:46,020
Barn because the house is newly

1249
00:58:50,390 --> 00:58:47,359
constructed

1250
00:58:53,329 --> 00:58:50,400
this was a development of six different

1251
00:58:55,370 --> 00:58:53,339
units they were all attached townhomes

1252
00:58:59,750 --> 00:58:55,380
and we were somewhere in the middle

1253
00:59:02,930 --> 00:58:59,760
I actually had a chance to visit it back

1254
00:59:05,089 --> 00:59:02,940
in I think it might have been 2005 or

1255
00:59:08,510 --> 00:59:05,099
2006.

1256
00:59:11,690 --> 00:59:08,520
and I was escorted by my uncle I brought

1257
00:59:13,730 --> 00:59:11,700
my husband with me and we were standing

1258
00:59:15,289 --> 00:59:13,740
right outside the gate

1259
00:59:17,809 --> 00:59:15,299
of this

1260
00:59:20,630 --> 00:59:17,819
town home that stretched all the way

1261
00:59:22,970 --> 00:59:20,640
towards the back the creek is still back

1262
00:59:26,690 --> 00:59:22,980
there at the time and there were still

1263
00:59:29,809 --> 00:59:26,700
trees along the creek and I actually was

1264
00:59:32,030 --> 00:59:29,819
able to walk towards the creek and I

1265
00:59:33,730 --> 00:59:32,040
went in and I stood and I looked up the

1266
00:59:39,710 --> 00:59:33,740
bedroom window

1267
00:59:41,750 --> 00:59:39,720
and to someone new obviously lived there

1268
00:59:43,849 --> 00:59:41,760
is there a new family in there oh yeah

1269
00:59:46,010 --> 00:59:43,859
the people have been living there

1270
00:59:48,589 --> 00:59:46,020
um we talked to a gentleman who had the

1271
00:59:50,650 --> 00:59:48,599
unit that was right next door he came in

1272
00:59:53,170 --> 00:59:50,660
totally appalled because my uncle was

1273
00:59:56,510 --> 00:59:53,180
gesticulating all over the place

1274
00:59:59,030 --> 00:59:56,520
talking about he was reliving what

1275
01:00:01,130 --> 00:59:59,040
happened that evening and he was just

1276
01:00:03,230 --> 01:00:01,140
taken up by it and we were standing

1277
01:00:06,470 --> 01:00:03,240
there and the man said can I help you

1278
01:00:09,289 --> 01:00:06,480
and so he proceeded to tell him and he

1279
01:00:11,569 --> 01:00:09,299
let us in and he said well then this is

1280
01:00:13,430 --> 01:00:11,579
the unit you're talking about I don't

1281
01:00:14,750 --> 01:00:13,440
think anyone has ever encountered

1282
01:00:16,849 --> 01:00:14,760
anything

1283
01:00:18,950 --> 01:00:16,859
wow that was gonna be my next question

1284
01:00:21,890 --> 01:00:18,960
has did the neighbors have anything

1285
01:00:23,630 --> 01:00:21,900
happen to them you know did has the

1286
01:00:25,309 --> 01:00:23,640
people since had anything happened that

1287
01:00:28,309 --> 01:00:25,319
was going to be now you have to remember

1288
01:00:32,150 --> 01:00:28,319
this was in the 60s and by the time I

1289
01:00:35,750 --> 01:00:32,160
saw it it was like 2005 or six yeah so

1290
01:00:38,510 --> 01:00:35,760
we've had a myriad of families going

1291
01:00:40,490 --> 01:00:38,520
through there because it was a rental

1292
01:00:43,730 --> 01:00:40,500
um and and when by the time I saw the

1293
01:00:46,670 --> 01:00:43,740
house it was no longer new obviously it

1294
01:00:48,410 --> 01:00:46,680
actually looked a little bit run down

1295
01:00:50,630 --> 01:00:48,420
um I mean all the units were all painted

1296
01:00:52,990 --> 01:00:50,640
the same way but you could tell it

1297
01:00:56,809 --> 01:00:53,000
hadn't been painted in probably 30 years

1298
01:01:00,049 --> 01:00:56,819
right but they said that they've never

1299
01:01:01,730 --> 01:01:00,059
known anything to happen in that unit

1300
01:01:04,130 --> 01:01:01,740
wow

1301
01:01:06,289 --> 01:01:04,140
so then that that had to be something

1302
01:01:08,770 --> 01:01:06,299
with your family or something that's so

1303
01:01:11,990 --> 01:01:08,780
interesting that really is yeah

1304
01:01:15,049 --> 01:01:12,000
but at least you never saw it again so

1305
01:01:17,270 --> 01:01:15,059
be thankful for that yeah well I

1306
01:01:20,270 --> 01:01:17,280
wouldn't say that burn I wouldn't quite

1307
01:01:22,789 --> 01:01:20,280
say that because this thing followed us

1308
01:01:26,690 --> 01:01:22,799
to my grandmother's house

1309
01:01:28,549 --> 01:01:26,700
oh my God and I don't even remember how

1310
01:01:29,990 --> 01:01:28,559
we got rid of it because I was still a

1311
01:01:31,670 --> 01:01:30,000
kid

1312
01:01:34,370 --> 01:01:31,680
um but I remember there were other

1313
01:01:36,049 --> 01:01:34,380
manifestations other smaller entities

1314
01:01:39,049 --> 01:01:36,059
that were in my grandmother's house

1315
01:01:41,030 --> 01:01:39,059
because where her house was built there

1316
01:01:43,030 --> 01:01:41,040
was a battlefield and they had Japanese

1317
01:01:48,230 --> 01:01:43,040
bones

1318
01:01:51,589 --> 01:01:48,240
in the backyard

1319
01:01:53,990 --> 01:01:51,599
well they know they were there

1320
01:01:56,450 --> 01:01:54,000
that's something that really is they're

1321
01:01:58,849 --> 01:01:56,460
are they still there those bones or have

1322
01:02:01,789 --> 01:01:58,859
they been excavated or

1323
01:02:05,150 --> 01:02:01,799
I don't think anybody ever touched them

1324
01:02:06,490 --> 01:02:05,160
oh geez yeah it's yeah

1325
01:02:09,589 --> 01:02:06,500
yeah

1326
01:02:11,329 --> 01:02:09,599
thinking about that just you know you're

1327
01:02:12,910 --> 01:02:11,339
like I just I'm not gonna tell them

1328
01:02:15,829 --> 01:02:12,920
though

1329
01:02:18,170 --> 01:02:15,839
but oh my goodness but you guys did

1330
01:02:20,990 --> 01:02:18,180
eventually get rid of this thing that

1331
01:02:25,309 --> 01:02:21,000
had followed you from the townhouse

1332
01:02:26,930 --> 01:02:25,319
well I I think we we moved to the U.S

1333
01:02:29,750 --> 01:02:26,940
um my grandmother stayed in the house

1334
01:02:31,210 --> 01:02:29,760
other family members have moved on

1335
01:02:33,770 --> 01:02:31,220
different places

1336
01:02:35,870 --> 01:02:33,780
uh it was one of those things where you

1337
01:02:38,569 --> 01:02:35,880
kind of just accept oh you know that's

1338
01:02:41,630 --> 01:02:38,579
the old Japanese soldier jumping over

1339
01:02:43,130 --> 01:02:41,640
the gate oh yeah that's we even gave

1340
01:02:46,490 --> 01:02:43,140
them names

1341
01:02:48,410 --> 01:02:46,500
because they would just you know people

1342
01:02:50,450 --> 01:02:48,420
would come in and visit and sometimes

1343
01:02:52,970 --> 01:02:50,460
people wouldn't stay for dinner

1344
01:02:54,890 --> 01:02:52,980
and so we figured okay that's probably

1345
01:02:58,309 --> 01:02:54,900
because they saw something at this

1346
01:02:59,870 --> 01:02:58,319
window yeah yeah it scared them bad

1347
01:03:01,569 --> 01:02:59,880
enough that they were like no I'm good

1348
01:03:04,309 --> 01:03:01,579
I'm not hungry

1349
01:03:06,589 --> 01:03:04,319
but we I actually had something like

1350
01:03:09,049 --> 01:03:06,599
that happen to me as a kid we had been

1351
01:03:12,109 --> 01:03:09,059
talking before the show and it happened

1352
01:03:14,089 --> 01:03:12,119
in that bedroom I told you about

1353
01:03:15,770 --> 01:03:14,099
um yeah my mom had brought some friends

1354
01:03:17,809 --> 01:03:15,780
over and she's like you know my

1355
01:03:19,730 --> 01:03:17,819
daughter's claiming the house is haunted

1356
01:03:22,069 --> 01:03:19,740
you know we just moved in we hadn't

1357
01:03:23,690 --> 01:03:22,079
lived there long like it is haunted I'm

1358
01:03:25,549 --> 01:03:23,700
like there's a man in this house it's

1359
01:03:28,789 --> 01:03:25,559
haunted and her and her friends were

1360
01:03:30,230 --> 01:03:28,799
like no you're you're a kid no and all

1361
01:03:31,730 --> 01:03:30,240
of a sudden it was like a one story like

1362
01:03:33,890 --> 01:03:31,740
so if you stood outside my bedroom

1363
01:03:37,190 --> 01:03:33,900
window you could be seen there was no

1364
01:03:39,650 --> 01:03:37,200
hiding you could be seen a man started

1365
01:03:43,370 --> 01:03:39,660
laughing outside the window

1366
01:03:46,010 --> 01:03:43,380
a very deep man's laugh and the look on

1367
01:03:48,109 --> 01:03:46,020
their face they were like we we have to

1368
01:03:50,089 --> 01:03:48,119
go and they just they left and they

1369
01:03:51,950 --> 01:03:50,099
never spoke to her again

1370
01:03:54,170 --> 01:03:51,960
after that so

1371
01:03:56,030 --> 01:03:54,180
is that the Hat man that you were

1372
01:03:59,690 --> 01:03:56,040
talking about or is that a different one

1373
01:04:02,510 --> 01:03:59,700
no that's that's the hatman house yes oh

1374
01:04:04,130 --> 01:04:02,520
my gosh yeah and this was in the this

1375
01:04:06,049 --> 01:04:04,140
was in broad daylight this was like in

1376
01:04:08,329 --> 01:04:06,059
the afternoon

1377
01:04:10,190 --> 01:04:08,339
and there was there was gravel there was

1378
01:04:11,930 --> 01:04:10,200
Twigs so if somebody was out there you

1379
01:04:13,490 --> 01:04:11,940
could hear them standing there or

1380
01:04:17,210 --> 01:04:13,500
walking up to the window

1381
01:04:22,190 --> 01:04:19,789
so so we've we've had things like that

1382
01:04:29,210 --> 01:04:25,370
there was one instance where

1383
01:04:33,230 --> 01:04:29,220
there was a smoking man I don't think he

1384
01:04:34,430 --> 01:04:33,240
had a hat on but it was Shadow deep

1385
01:04:37,789 --> 01:04:34,440
shadow

1386
01:04:40,190 --> 01:04:37,799
and you could feel that there was

1387
01:04:43,670 --> 01:04:40,200
something out there

1388
01:04:47,030 --> 01:04:43,680
but you could also feel that whatever it

1389
01:04:50,470 --> 01:04:47,040
was wasn't alive

1390
01:04:53,589 --> 01:04:50,480
and I remember it was right outside

1391
01:04:56,690 --> 01:04:53,599
my grandmother's house had five bedrooms

1392
01:04:58,549 --> 01:04:56,700
the fifth one was a guest room which was

1393
01:04:59,750 --> 01:04:58,559
on the ground floor right behind the

1394
01:05:03,890 --> 01:04:59,760
kitchen

1395
01:05:06,109 --> 01:05:03,900
and most of the activity was around that

1396
01:05:09,470 --> 01:05:06,119
room for some reason

1397
01:05:12,130 --> 01:05:09,480
the room overlooked the backyard and on

1398
01:05:15,230 --> 01:05:12,140
one side it would face the driveway

1399
01:05:20,210 --> 01:05:15,240
leading out to the carport

1400
01:05:22,849 --> 01:05:20,220
and the man would show up at dusk and

1401
01:05:23,930 --> 01:05:22,859
you could kind of like see him peeking

1402
01:05:26,750 --> 01:05:23,940
in

1403
01:05:29,210 --> 01:05:26,760
and it's just suggestion of eyes because

1404
01:05:31,849 --> 01:05:29,220
it was always veiled but you could see

1405
01:05:34,490 --> 01:05:31,859
the cigarette smoke coming out

1406
01:05:37,789 --> 01:05:34,500
and sometimes you can even smell it

1407
01:05:40,670 --> 01:05:37,799
oh my goodness yeah that's that's very

1408
01:05:44,150 --> 01:05:40,680
creepy when that happens that is

1409
01:05:46,910 --> 01:05:44,160
that one I didn't include in any book

1410
01:05:48,890 --> 01:05:46,920
so that that's exclusive

1411
01:05:51,230 --> 01:05:48,900
exclusive

1412
01:05:54,049 --> 01:05:51,240
well thank you for that that's amazing

1413
01:05:55,430 --> 01:05:54,059
so as we come to our time the end of our

1414
01:05:58,010 --> 01:05:55,440
time with you do you want to tell

1415
01:06:00,890 --> 01:05:58,020
everyone where to find you and what you

1416
01:06:03,109 --> 01:06:00,900
have coming up next any new what's the

1417
01:06:05,750 --> 01:06:03,119
next book after that's going to be oh

1418
01:06:08,569 --> 01:06:05,760
okay so night visitance is the latest

1419
01:06:11,270 --> 01:06:08,579
one comes out April 18th on Amazon it's

1420
01:06:13,309 --> 01:06:11,280
going to be Kindle and paperback uh the

1421
01:06:16,069 --> 01:06:13,319
next one there is going to be I'm

1422
01:06:19,370 --> 01:06:16,079
actually uh co-writing another book with

1423
01:06:21,049 --> 01:06:19,380
another gentleman uh but that's just a

1424
01:06:23,270 --> 01:06:21,059
brief stint that I'm doing and then

1425
01:06:26,390 --> 01:06:23,280
after that I'm doing the talisman

1426
01:06:29,029 --> 01:06:26,400
uh which is about three guys who are

1427
01:06:31,670 --> 01:06:29,039
roommates in the Victorian house and

1428
01:06:33,049 --> 01:06:31,680
what they discover in the Attic of the

1429
01:06:36,230 --> 01:06:33,059
Victorian house

1430
01:06:38,750 --> 01:06:36,240
so that's coming up yeah that won't be

1431
01:06:40,670 --> 01:06:38,760
released until September

1432
01:06:44,150 --> 01:06:40,680
um but people can find me on Facebook

1433
01:06:48,170 --> 01:06:44,160
they can find me on Tick Tock

1434
01:06:50,630 --> 01:06:48,180
um Twitter and Instagram uh basically

1435
01:06:53,930 --> 01:06:50,640
all under my name actually Twitter is

1436
01:06:56,809 --> 01:06:53,940
after my dogs at Fox and Roseanne that's

1437
01:06:59,150 --> 01:06:56,819
the tough one to remember but um my name

1438
01:07:01,130 --> 01:06:59,160
is always attached to everything

1439
01:07:04,069 --> 01:07:01,140
um so if you want to find me just type

1440
01:07:07,970 --> 01:07:04,079
my name up and it'll come up I also have

1441
01:07:09,890 --> 01:07:07,980
a website which I put blogs into

1442
01:07:13,010 --> 01:07:09,900
um and right now I have giveaways if

1443
01:07:14,990 --> 01:07:13,020
people subscribe to my website

1444
01:07:16,910 --> 01:07:15,000
sounds great I will definitely have to

1445
01:07:22,029 --> 01:07:16,920
try to have you back before September

1446
01:07:24,230 --> 01:07:22,039
before I have to take time off so I know

1447
01:07:25,789 --> 01:07:24,240
but yeah I will definitely have to have

1448
01:07:28,490 --> 01:07:25,799
you back again because you're one of our

1449
01:07:30,349 --> 01:07:28,500
favorite guests so oh thank you I

1450
01:07:32,450 --> 01:07:30,359
appreciate you coming on and come you

1451
01:07:34,609 --> 01:07:32,460
know being our first guest you know the

1452
01:07:36,589 --> 01:07:34,619
the new season if you want to call it

1453
01:07:38,089 --> 01:07:36,599
that but thank you so much this has been

1454
01:07:40,250 --> 01:07:38,099
so much fun

1455
01:07:42,589 --> 01:07:40,260
this is my pleasure thank you so much

1456
01:07:46,250 --> 01:07:42,599
for bringing me back thanks so much have

1457
01:07:48,589 --> 01:07:46,260
a good night Anna okay bye-bye

1458
01:07:50,930 --> 01:07:48,599
all right everyone thank you so much for

1459
01:07:52,549 --> 01:07:50,940
sticking around thank you so much for

1460
01:07:56,150 --> 01:07:52,559
just being here and sticking with us

1461
01:07:59,569 --> 01:07:56,160
during the Hiatus tomorrow night at 9 00

1462
01:08:01,849 --> 01:07:59,579
PM lawn is back with his report show we

1463
01:08:04,190 --> 01:08:01,859
are excited for that so come hang out

1464
01:08:06,710 --> 01:08:04,200
with us in the chat it's going to be a

1465
01:08:08,089 --> 01:08:06,720
great time come welcome on back we're

1466
01:08:11,089 --> 01:08:08,099
just so happy to have him we're so happy

1467
01:08:14,470 --> 01:08:11,099
to be back so until next Thursday when

1468
01:08:17,450 --> 01:08:14,480
my guests will be Robin McRae who is a

1469
01:08:20,689 --> 01:08:17,460
Bigfoot psychic and has different

1470
01:08:22,669 --> 01:08:20,699
Communications with Bigfoot as well

1471
01:08:25,910 --> 01:08:22,679
um I'll see you then at 8 o'clock bye